Quantum Forgiveness Ain't Phony
26Oct2007 01:31 PM Musings
Here's an excerpt from
an email conversation with a life-long friend (he
starts the conversation) about Disappearance of the Universe by
Gary Renard and ACIM ( A Course In Miracles
), which I'm
re-reading like a desert wanderer re-united with
his favorite oasis:
Yep, DoU is very good. IMHO It should be required reading for anyone doing the Course.
Perty fine writin', ain't it!
Our study group decided (after
listening to one of Gary's audio CDs last Wed.)
that we would meet every Wed. night instead of
just every other... Great stuff!
The thing I have a question about, and ACIM only gave a few guidelines about this, is: Is there a specific technique for forgiving?
YES! That's exactly what inspires me about Gary's work... the idea of quantum forgiveness, or realizing that
A) There's no "out there" if space time is a bogus projection of the egoic mind, therefore there's no "body" "OUT" there to forgive, and
B) also follows from the fraud of the hologram we're projecting we call 3D "reality", that if time is illusory, then all the EVENTS in space time are made up, too, so there's no person (including our limited idea of self) or thing, events or otherwise to forgive.
I'm finding that re-reading the Course after over 2 decades of relative dormancy in that regard, it is amazingly alive with new meaning when the idea that "God had nothing to do with making up the physical Universe"(my paraphrasing of a major 'gem' from Gary) is factored in... suddenly the Course is infinitely more potent than when I was trying to make God the scapegoat for a bogus reality he/she had nuthin' to do with! (and the beauty of it is that neither have we! We're all off the hook, and letting the holy spirit ... (transpersonal, yeah-I-think-I'm-overdue-for-abandoning-my-pathetic-little-sob-story-soap-opera, non-finite, non-local or whatever you wanna-call-it that pertains to our infinite unlimited nature) take hold of the wheel... do the heavy lifting makes all the difference !
(The study group is a big help in REMINDING me this in the zombified tranced-out Truman Show reality I've managed to conjure; your mileage may vary
Remembering that the person you are frustrated with is a Son of God seems (I'm sorry to say) just a bit phoney sometimes.
I'm reminded of the quote in Richard Bach's Illusions (now I gotta run and find it so I don't misquote... back in a sec....
There... found it (and found another quote I wanna use in my book anyway... I STILL think Illusions would make a great movie, BTW) The quote (one of my faves!) I was looking for is this one (early in Chap. 12):
(The context: Richard is talking with Don Shimoda about walking through walls...)
R: "OK. You can make it appear that you can walk through walls, if you want. Is that a better question?"
D: "Yes. Better. But if you want to be precise..."
R: "Don't tell me. I know how to say what I mean. Here is my question. How is it that you can move the illusion of a limited sense of identity, expressed in this belief of a space-time continuum as your 'body', through the illusion of material restriction that is called a 'wall'?"
D: "Well done!" he said. "When you ask the question properly it answers itself, doesn't it?"
R: "No, the question hasn't answered itself. How do you walk through walls?"
D: "RICHARD! You had it nearly right and then blew it all to pieces! I cannot walk through walls... when you say that, you're assuming things I don't assume at all..."
Maybe we're here to challenge our assumptions about "others" along these lines It seems like trying to force
forgiveness through a fragmented thought system
is just another "seek and do not find"
exercise... since the egoic thought system IS
totally phony baloney!
It doesn't get you to that place of fully releasing them.
I find when it feels phony, that I'm still dredging up beliefs about "others" based on the dualistic thought system of "we-they"; the heart and transpersonal awareness seem to be key vehicles for that understanding...
It helps to remember that it is actually imperative to forgive because that's the only way you can remember your immortal soul but even that doesn't always seem to be enough to get me to DO it.
It is TOTALLY up to us (only the ego applies pressure, extortion or fear/manipulation tactics; the Holy Spirit has nothing to lose, since it already has reality 'in the bag' ... I like the quote toward the
beginning of ACIM of "... only the time you take
it is voluntary"... Kind of a sweet, smiling
gentle cajoling like an old friend calling you
out to play...
To not make my brother's errors REAL requires looking beyond them from the beginning not to make them real then forgive them.
That's it!!! (kinda like Richard's eloquent and lucid question above If we still have 3D consciousness,
I guess it means we have more practicing to do
So it really requires keeping our minds in Reality in the first place doesn't it? But then if we WERE in Reality we wouldn't need to forgive in the first place. Forgiving is for those who have forgotten Reality.
Yep; using the metaphor of the Course, we're still like toddlers having a bad dream (or hopefully moving toward more happy dreams), but still we're rather snoozy ... Ahhh, we're just remembering that we're already awake in TRUTH, but still just dreaming ...
I've read to page 150 at this point and the explanation of the separation is much more understandable than it was when I read it in ACIM (nothing against ACIM). That the Big Bang actually came from us creating a physical universe to hide in makes a lot of sense and is mind boggling to say the least.
Yes!!! That's something I some how missed reading and studying ACIM in the early 80's and until this past summer... SUPER MAJOR INSIGHT, it would seem! Now that I'm back into ACIM (about page 211 in the text today) it is like DU/YIR (Gary Renard's writing) is shining a huge grand opening spotlight on the text... How did I miss the exquisite coherence of this profound thought system before! I mean, I knew it was great (and even then figured it was probably the most profound spiritual document ever written, just that now it seems orders of magnitude more relevant... yeah, I know, no orders of difficulty
Anyway, if you have time, please respond to my email - particularly the forgiveness technique if one is given. I'll read it eventually but I'm curious to know what your thoughts are on this subject.
I think I mostly addressed it above, but the key seems to be to realize that it's not about "others thoughts about me" (since there are no "others") but MY thoughts (and feelings, since thoughts in this context includes the whole spectrum) about others that either liberates me or imprisons me to more nonsense...
Thanks man! (
)
Likewise, big time! ... and thanks for asking these questions, since I'm at a crucial point in my practice where I need all the reinforcement I can get for this unlimited thought system
Yep, DoU is very good. IMHO It should be required reading for anyone doing the Course.
Perty fine writin', ain't it!
Our study group decided (after
listening to one of Gary's audio CDs last Wed.)
that we would meet every Wed. night instead of
just every other... Great stuff!
The thing I have a question about, and ACIM only gave a few guidelines about this, is: Is there a specific technique for forgiving?
YES! That's exactly what inspires me about Gary's work... the idea of quantum forgiveness, or realizing that
A) There's no "out there" if space time is a bogus projection of the egoic mind, therefore there's no "body" "OUT" there to forgive, and
B) also follows from the fraud of the hologram we're projecting we call 3D "reality", that if time is illusory, then all the EVENTS in space time are made up, too, so there's no person (including our limited idea of self) or thing, events or otherwise to forgive.
I'm finding that re-reading the Course after over 2 decades of relative dormancy in that regard, it is amazingly alive with new meaning when the idea that "God had nothing to do with making up the physical Universe"(my paraphrasing of a major 'gem' from Gary) is factored in... suddenly the Course is infinitely more potent than when I was trying to make God the scapegoat for a bogus reality he/she had nuthin' to do with! (and the beauty of it is that neither have we! We're all off the hook, and letting the holy spirit ... (transpersonal, yeah-I-think-I'm-overdue-for-abandoning-my-pathetic-little-sob-story-soap-opera, non-finite, non-local or whatever you wanna-call-it that pertains to our infinite unlimited nature) take hold of the wheel... do the heavy lifting makes all the difference !
(The study group is a big help in REMINDING me this in the zombified tranced-out Truman Show reality I've managed to conjure; your mileage may vary
Remembering that the person you are frustrated with is a Son of God seems (I'm sorry to say) just a bit phoney sometimes.
I'm reminded of the quote in Richard Bach's Illusions (now I gotta run and find it so I don't misquote
... back in a sec....
There... found it (and found another quote I wanna use in my book anyway... I STILL think Illusions would make a great movie, BTW) The quote (one of my faves!) I was looking for is this one (early in Chap. 12):
(The context: Richard is talking with Don Shimoda about walking through walls...)
R: "OK. You can make it appear that you can walk through walls, if you want. Is that a better question?"
D: "Yes. Better. But if you want to be precise..."
R: "Don't tell me. I know how to say what I mean. Here is my question. How is it that you can move the illusion of a limited sense of identity, expressed in this belief of a space-time continuum as your 'body', through the illusion of material restriction that is called a 'wall'?"
D: "Well done!" he said. "When you ask the question properly it answers itself, doesn't it?"
R: "No, the question hasn't answered itself. How do you walk through walls?"
D: "RICHARD! You had it nearly right and then blew it all to pieces! I cannot walk through walls... when you say that, you're assuming things I don't assume at all..."
Maybe we're here to challenge our assumptions about "others" along these lines
It seems like trying to force
forgiveness through a fragmented thought system
is just another "seek and do not find"
exercise... since the egoic thought system IS
totally phony baloney!
It doesn't get you to that place of fully releasing them.
I find when it feels phony, that I'm still dredging up beliefs about "others" based on the dualistic thought system of "we-they"; the heart and transpersonal awareness seem to be key vehicles for that understanding...
It helps to remember that it is actually imperative to forgive because that's the only way you can remember your immortal soul but even that doesn't always seem to be enough to get me to DO it.
It is TOTALLY up to us (only the ego applies pressure, extortion or fear/manipulation tactics; the Holy Spirit has nothing to lose, since it already has reality 'in the bag'
... I like the quote toward the
beginning of ACIM of "... only the time you take
it is voluntary"... Kind of a sweet, smiling
gentle cajoling like an old friend calling you
out to play...
To not make my brother's errors REAL requires looking beyond them from the beginning not to make them real then forgive them.
That's it!!! (kinda like Richard's eloquent and lucid question above
If we still have 3D consciousness,
I guess it means we have more practicing to do
So it really requires keeping our minds in Reality in the first place doesn't it? But then if we WERE in Reality we wouldn't need to forgive in the first place. Forgiving is for those who have forgotten Reality.
Yep; using the metaphor of the Course, we're still like toddlers having a bad dream (or hopefully moving toward more happy dreams), but still we're rather snoozy ... Ahhh, we're just remembering that we're already awake in TRUTH, but still just dreaming ...
I've read to page 150 at this point and the explanation of the separation is much more understandable than it was when I read it in ACIM (nothing against ACIM). That the Big Bang actually came from us creating a physical universe to hide in makes a lot of sense and is mind boggling to say the least.
Yes!!! That's something I some how missed reading and studying ACIM in the early 80's and until this past summer... SUPER MAJOR INSIGHT, it would seem! Now that I'm back into ACIM (about page 211 in the text today) it is like DU/YIR (Gary Renard's writing) is shining a huge grand opening spotlight on the text... How did I miss the exquisite coherence of this profound thought system before! I mean, I knew it was great (and even then figured it was probably the most profound spiritual document ever written, just that now it seems orders of magnitude more relevant... yeah, I know, no orders of difficulty
Anyway, if you have time, please respond to my email - particularly the forgiveness technique if one is given. I'll read it eventually but I'm curious to know what your thoughts are on this subject.
I think I mostly addressed it above, but the key seems to be to realize that it's not about "others thoughts about me" (since there are no "others") but MY thoughts (and feelings, since thoughts in this context includes the whole spectrum) about others that either liberates me or imprisons me to more nonsense...
Thanks man! (
)Likewise, big time! ... and thanks for asking these questions, since I'm at a crucial point in my practice where I need all the reinforcement I can get for this unlimited thought system
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